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bruceb58 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:03 pm
Tuscany wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:35 am Maxxis are still a Chinese tire.
It's not a Chinese tire. I have owned 16 of them including 4 I just bought in January. I have 4 on my travel trailer and 4 on my boat trailer. Just sold my last boat and trailer and no issues for 5 years towing often in over 100 degree weather. Can't say the same for Chinese tires I have owned in the past.

I have had a number of their bicycle tires as well. They are top tier with those tires too.
Well it looks like it started in Taiwan. Now heavy in Asia.

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Big Block Power wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:11 pm
bruceb58 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:03 pm
Tuscany wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:35 am Maxxis are still a Chinese tire.
It's not a Chinese tire. I have owned 16 of them including 4 I just bought in January. I have 4 on my travel trailer and 4 on my boat trailer. Just sold my last boat and trailer and no issues for 5 years towing often in over 100 degree weather. Can't say the same for Chinese tires I have owned in the past.

I have had a number of their bicycle tires as well. They are top tier with those tires too.
Well it looks like it started in Taiwan. Now heavy in Asia.

https://www.maxxis.com/us/about-maxxis/
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" Maxxis’ ability to serve customers around the world is rooted in its manufacturing capacity, which includes facilities in Taiwan, China, Thailand, Vietnam, and India. "
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Cruiser64 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:16 pm My tire guy told me to run 60 psi to allow for temp rise but lower psi would cause to much heat.
Your tire guy told you that? Tire pressures are always specified cold, so the max pressure on the tire already accounts for pressure rise with temperature.

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I wonder how many people that think the Maxxis trailer tire is made in China has actually looked at the sidewall of a Maxxis trailer tire to see where it is actually made.
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Respectfully..
First time I’ve ever heard of someone using Maxxis as an example of a quality tire.
Anything ST is suspect, and anything non GY Endurance is ultra suspect. Anything ST with roots in Asia? I’m going to pass.
Ignorant on my part? Maybe..

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Tuscany wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:42 am Respectfully..
First time I’ve ever heard of someone using Maxxis as an example of a quality tire.
Respectfully, first time I have ever heard of someone not thinking it was a quality tire. Been a recommended tire for years before the Endurance came out on all travel trailer forums. The Endurance has only been out for around 4 years. Before that, the Maxxis was the only choice. To me, its a superior tire to the Endurance.

And again....the Maxxis 8008 trailer tires is NOT made n China.
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In case anyone is wondering, DOT regulations allow for LT tires to be used on a trailer. They also allow for P tires to be used on a trailer if you derate the load capacity by 10%. I have had nothing but bad luck with ST tires on a variety of trailer in the past, always kept them under the rated speed and kept them inflated to full cold PSI, and under the rated load. Didn't matter....trailer tires still failed. I have been running 235/75-15 XL P tires on my boat trailer for over 3 years now with no issues...will trade a crappy ST for a properly rated P tire any day of the week.

That all being said, I used to vow that I would never buy another ST tire in my life. There's a reason LT or P tires are allowed on trailers, but STs are not allowed on passenger vehicles. I have, however, recently made exceptions for Goodyear Endurance STs based on feedback from boat and RV forum reviews. All good, nothing bad. My 5th wheel we bought in January came with Endurance on it, and on the single axle flatbed I bought for our RZR, I immediately swapped the cheap STs it came with out for GY Endurance. Would have gone with car/truck tires but they didn't make anything in the size I needed with a weight rating that would work. All good so far on both fronts. So I will say that I will never buy another set of STs, unless they are GY Endurance.

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Having many tandem and triple axel trailers I can tell you this.

The tire construction “ side wall “ is designed for 2 purposes on the ST.

1st it can twist into a pretzel when turning sharp and still have sidewalls that retain capacity.

2nd. Their sidewall is designed to dampen rebound as trailers either torsion or leaf spring create a sudden shock going down the road.

Notice there is no shock absorbers on a trailer?

Passenger tire will bounce like a bunny unless you go with the highest load rating but still lack the ability to maintain sidewall strength over time.

Tbillion has done his research in load ratings to avoid this issue and had great results..
but most won’t do this research.

LT / 8-10 ply is a great no bounce option but still don’t have the sidewall resistance to the pretzel in a turn like a ST.

LT tires sides wall are rigid but hat twisted turns. You be better with higher rated P in most hard turns.

So wether it’s a China Maxi the Moocher or a Goodyear Endurance or Marathons.

Change them every 5 years and if left outside .. Just cover them so they’ll make the 5 year before they delaminate.
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As always, we hold Matt and BB as our respected, trusted voices from years in the industry who know the correct answers to anything automotive.

Trailer sharp turns and twisting is something that should always be avoided. Not good for tires, and not good for the trailer, especially thin metal trailers where welds may get the “test”.

From my experience hauling semi 53’ closed and spread tandems, issues can come from tight turning and it’s usually avoidable with a little approach planning.. My fear isn’t from abusing tires while turning, it’s having them give up at 70 mph at a time where I least want to deal with a tire on the side of a highway. I would say 99% blow from speed, and I’m going to try to avoid that at all costs.
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bruceb58 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:32 pm
Tuscany wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:42 am Respectfully..
First time I’ve ever heard of someone using Maxxis as an example of a quality tire.
Respectfully, first time I have ever heard of someone not thinking it was a quality tire. Been a recommended tire for years before the Endurance came out on all travel trailer forums. The Endurance has only been out for around 4 years. Before that, the Maxxis was the only choice. To me, its a superior tire to the Endurance.

And again....the Maxxis 8008 trailer tires is NOT made n China.
I am a bit late to this party, we had a great long weekend at the lake.

Anyway, Bruce it appears at one time Maxxis were made in the USA, however from what I can tell around 2011 they moved a lot of their production overseas.

Luckily for all of us the Department of Transportation has made this a super easy argument to solve - your tax dollars at work. The first few characters of the DOT Code are the plant code and identify exactly where the tire was made. Here is a link to an up to date list of plant codes: https://www.wfirm.com/complete-list-of- ... ant-codes/

Post up the DOT Code of the 8008's and we can get to the bottom of this.
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NautiGirl wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:58 amAnyway, Bruce it appears at one time Maxxis were made in the USA, however from what I can tell around 2011 they moved a lot of their production overseas.
All 16 Maxxis tires that I have purchased for various trailers have been made in Thailand but its possible they were made in the US before that. Have a link to where you read they were made in the US?

I know one thing...once Goodyear moved Marathon production to China, a great tire became pretty much worthless to buy. They pretty much had to come out with the Endurance tire in the beginning of 2017. Hopefully, they don't make the same mistake again. I almost bought some Endurance tires a couple years ago but decided I didn't want to be their Beta tester on a tire that had only been out 2 years.

I am one of the few people that will actually wear out a trailer tire with mileage vs age. By the time my tires on my travel trailer reach 5 years old, they will need to be replaced because of all the tread wear on the tire. Next set of tires....Maxxis...again!
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bruceb58 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:38 pm
NautiGirl wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:58 amAnyway, Bruce it appears at one time Maxxis were made in the USA, however from what I can tell around 2011 they moved a lot of their production overseas.
All 16 Maxxis tires that I have purchased for various trailers have been made in Thailand but its possible they were made in the US before that. Have a link to where you read they were made in the US?
The information about them being made in the US prior to around 2011 was just second hand that I found on a few other forums. I don't have any evidence to back it up and would take it with a grain of salt for sure.
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bruceb58 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:38 pm
NautiGirl wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:58 amAnyway, Bruce it appears at one time Maxxis were made in the USA, however from what I can tell around 2011 they moved a lot of their production overseas.
All 16 Maxxis tires that I have purchased for various trailers have been made in Thailand but its possible they were made in the US before that. Have a link to where you read they were made in the US?

I know one thing...once Goodyear moved Marathon production to China, a great tire became pretty much worthless to buy. They pretty much had to come out with the Endurance tire in the beginning of 2017. Hopefully, they don't make the same mistake again. I almost bought some Endurance tires a couple years ago but decided I didn't want to be their Beta tester on a tire that had only been out 2 years.

I am one of the few people that will actually wear out a trailer tire with mileage vs age. By the time my tires on my travel trailer reach 5 years old, they will need to be replaced because of all the tread wear on the tire. Next set of tires....Maxxis...again!
Just a simple suggestion..
Maybe consider investing in American labor instead of the Taiwanese economy.
You will get a trustworthy tire and help out your neighbor.

So, yesterday on Interstate 90….
While we poke fun at Asian tire companies, and rightly so, my 2001 26’ classic trailer still sports the original Good Year Marathons which were built in Canada.
The trailer is now relegated to winter lawn and pool storage so tires were not going more than a mile to our winter barn. This weekend, and needing the bigger trailer last minute, I moved my son’s girlfriend and put a hundred interstate miles on them….waiting for one to go..
Still full of air.
Maybe the best trailer tire ever built.

I’m going to get a new set of 16” wheels and mount the boat tire take-offs on this before my luck runs out.
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The Goodyear Endurance is widely regarded as a big step up from the Marathon, but even a bad tire won’t cause problems for most people.

I’m hesitant to order manny things from China myself, but I think of Taiwan a bit differently. They produce some of the best machine tools, semiconductors, etc., in the world, which is why companies like Apple use Taiwan Semiconductor almost exclusively for fabrication. I know less about tires, but wouldn’t rule a set out because they came from Taiwan.
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