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CobaltDeadHead wrote: Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:01 pm Here's a thought for those who like their R7, but not their VP. Instead of buying a new boat with BB, why not just repower with a beautiful blue Merc 520 with B3XR? 8-)

Is that even possible? Or are the transom mounts for the outdrives just too different between Merc and VP thus forcing you to repower with the same brand?
Cobalt stopped adding the blue engines because rigging was not very easy and merc demanded very specific things. There is a member on here that used to do this for cobalt.
I believe the transom hole is the same. But lots more after that. Hydraulic steering and so on.
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Now that we have managed to completely throw this thread completely off the rails! :lol: The real question is Tusc mentioned ordering an R30 with twin Merc’s, are you toying with us are are you going to do it? Let’s get going if you want to be on it next summer! Let’s see it on a new custom fifth wheel Loadmaster trailer behind that F350 too! Please order it with twin 430’s so I can buy it from you in 10 years!
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Snowman8 wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:52 am Now that we have managed to completely throw this thread completely off the rails! :lol: The real question is Tusc mentioned ordering an R30 with twin Merc’s, are you toying with us are are you going to do it? Let’s get going if you want to be on it next summer! Let’s see it on a new custom fifth wheel Loadmaster trailer behind that F350 too! Please order it with twin 430’s so I can buy it from you in 10 years!
20 years maybe. He isn't giving up his baby yet. He puts less hours on his boat than me. That R30 is far down the road. We'll maybe 😂😂
I think the Tank will have one first.
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jhnmdahl wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:48 pm
Tuscany wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:41 am If…
My next boat will have a Merc, period.
I simply HATE the high RPM of the 6.2L at a cruising speed.
Drives me nuts.
Take a ride in one of those Yamaha twin engine boats that seem to be everywhere these days. It's like being pushed by a couple jet skis wide open.
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Big Block Power wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:57 am
Snowman8 wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:52 am Now that we have managed to completely throw this thread completely off the rails! :lol: The real question is Tusc mentioned ordering an R30 with twin Merc’s, are you toying with us are are you going to do it? Let’s get going if you want to be on it next summer! Let’s see it on a new custom fifth wheel Loadmaster trailer behind that F350 too! Please order it with twin 430’s so I can buy it from you in 10 years!
20 years maybe. He isn't giving up his baby yet. He puts less hours on his boat than me. That R30 is far down the road. We'll maybe 😂😂
I think the Tank will have one first.
Honestly, if we had a lake house where we didn’t have to launch/retrieve, I would be leaning towards that right now.
When we first upgraded to the R7, it was an issue to retrieve .. now that I’m used to our trailer, we do it in a minute, and I could do it alone if I had to, so bigger doesn’t scare me to the least.
My wife loves the current boat, and doesn’t get the big block twins thing.
Also, the R30 replacement is right around the corner.
I get excited in the summer, and retreat to Florida dreaming in the winter. We’ll see.
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CobaltDeadHead wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:13 pm
Tuscany wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:41 am If…
My next boat will have a Merc, period.
I simply HATE the high RPM of the 6.2L at a cruising speed.
Drives me nuts.
What drives you nuts about it? Just the sound?

My understanding is the modern VPs outperform Mercs by most metrics. Better hole shot, greater efficiency etc.

I have a 350 MAG on my boat. Zero experience with VP to compare it to
There is no doubt the VP outperforms the Merc.
The VP is fast, planes fast, 300 lbs. lighter, easier to winterize, crazy crazy good on fuel..

The one category it doesn’t measure up to is noise. It’s loud to the point of obnoxious. I have to yell at 20 mph.

The extra RPM just isn’t natural to my ears. It’s like it’s stuck in low gear going 30 mph. The engine is extremely loud at simple cruising RPM, where a big block would just be purring along.
Cobalt IMO should be concentrating on better sound management in the motorbox.
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Tuscany wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:29 am
CobaltDeadHead wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:13 pm
Tuscany wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:41 am If…
My next boat will have a Merc, period.
I simply HATE the high RPM of the 6.2L at a cruising speed.
Drives me nuts.
What drives you nuts about it? Just the sound?

My understanding is the modern VPs outperform Mercs by most metrics. Better hole shot, greater efficiency etc.

I have a 350 MAG on my boat. Zero experience with VP to compare it to
There is no doubt the VP outperforms the Merc.
The VP is fast, planes fast, 300 lbs. lighter, easier to winterize, crazy crazy good on fuel..

The one category it doesn’t measure up to is noise. It’s loud to the point of obnoxious. I have to yell at 20 mph.

The extra RPM just isn’t natural to my ears. It’s like it’s stuck in low gear going 30 mph. The engine is extremely loud at simple cruising RPM, where a big block would just be purring along.
Cobalt IMO should be concentrating on better sound management in the motorbox.
Last weekend we spent quite a few hours just cruising on the St Croix River. I agree with you that the VP is crazy loud between 15-25mph. I think most of the noise is from the VP exhaust ports above the props though. My daughter was driving most of the time and she was driving around 20mph and it was pretty loud. Once I got her to speed up closer to 30 then it seems like the exhaust quiets down quite a bit. I wasn’t really paying attention but I think our R5 runs right around 3800rpm at 30mph. It seems like our R5 cruises better around 30-33 better than 20-25 anyway, unless I push the trim tabs down the boat kinda plows through the water at 20mph. I usually cruise with the radio pretty loud so we don’t hear the engine much anyway... :lol:
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Tuscany wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:29 am
CobaltDeadHead wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:13 pm
Tuscany wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:41 am If…
My next boat will have a Merc, period.
I simply HATE the high RPM of the 6.2L at a cruising speed.
Drives me nuts.
What drives you nuts about it? Just the sound?

My understanding is the modern VPs outperform Mercs by most metrics. Better hole shot, greater efficiency etc.

I have a 350 MAG on my boat. Zero experience with VP to compare it to
There is no doubt the VP outperforms the Merc.
The VP is fast, planes fast, 300 lbs. lighter, easier to winterize, crazy crazy good on fuel..

The one category it doesn’t measure up to is noise. It’s loud to the point of obnoxious. I have to yell at 20 mph.

The extra RPM just isn’t natural to my ears. It’s like it’s stuck in low gear going 30 mph. The engine is extremely loud at simple cruising RPM, where a big block would just be purring along.
Cobalt IMO should be concentrating on better sound management in the motorbox.
Any good aftermarket solutions for sound deadening?
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CobaltDeadHead wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:35 am
Tuscany wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:29 am
CobaltDeadHead wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:13 pm

What drives you nuts about it? Just the sound?

My understanding is the modern VPs outperform Mercs by most metrics. Better hole shot, greater efficiency etc.

I have a 350 MAG on my boat. Zero experience with VP to compare it to
There is no doubt the VP outperforms the Merc.
The VP is fast, planes fast, 300 lbs. lighter, easier to winterize, crazy crazy good on fuel..

The one category it doesn’t measure up to is noise. It’s loud to the point of obnoxious. I have to yell at 20 mph.

The extra RPM just isn’t natural to my ears. It’s like it’s stuck in low gear going 30 mph. The engine is extremely loud at simple cruising RPM, where a big block would just be purring along.
Cobalt IMO should be concentrating on better sound management in the motorbox.
Any good aftermarket solutions for sound deadening?
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Big Block Power wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:30 pm
CobaltDeadHead wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:35 am
Tuscany wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:29 am
There is no doubt the VP outperforms the Merc.
The VP is fast, planes fast, 300 lbs. lighter, easier to winterize, crazy crazy good on fuel..

The one category it doesn’t measure up to is noise. It’s loud to the point of obnoxious. I have to yell at 20 mph.

The extra RPM just isn’t natural to my ears. It’s like it’s stuck in low gear going 30 mph. The engine is extremely loud at simple cruising RPM, where a big block would just be purring along.
Cobalt IMO should be concentrating on better sound management in the motorbox.
Any good aftermarket solutions for sound deadening?
Dyna mat
This is my plan for the inside of the engine box, too.
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mdadgar wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:13 pm
Big Block Power wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:30 pm
CobaltDeadHead wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:35 am

Any good aftermarket solutions for sound deadening?
Dyna mat
This is my plan for the inside of the engine box, too.
I thought about doing it to mine but I like hearing all of the air getting sucked into the BB👍😉
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Big Block Power wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:16 pm
mdadgar wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:13 pm
Big Block Power wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:30 pm

Dyna mat
This is my plan for the inside of the engine box, too.
I thought about doing it to mine but I like hearing all of the air getting sucked into the BB👍😉
You or the engine? 🍿
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dustinm wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:55 am
Big Block Power wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:16 pm
mdadgar wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:13 pm

This is my plan for the inside of the engine box, too.
I thought about doing it to mine but I like hearing all of the air getting sucked into the BB👍😉
You or the engine? 🍿
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