My First Haul Out and Tow

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My First Haul Out and Tow

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A bit of a long post, but I thought I'd share my first "haul out" experience with you all.

After a short 3 month season here on Lake Winnipeg, Friday was haul out day for my Cobalt 210. The dealer had delivered my new boat to the marina slip in the middle of June and while I have towed horse trailers (bumper pull and gooseneck) and a Sea-Doo regularly in the past, this was going to be the first time I hauled out my boat and trailered it into the city.

I learned a few things in the process and came away relatively unscathed.

I hauled my Sea-Doo out the week before and because the water is very low this year and was made worse by a sustained south wind last week, pushing the water north and dropping water levels another foot or so, I had to back the rear wheels of our minivan past the end of the concrete ramp and onto the crushed gravel to get the trailer in deep enough to retrieve the Sea Doo. A friend was hauling out a 30-year-old 18' bowrider with I/O and I found him paddling his boat from the slip to the trailer on the ramp because he said his prop had hit bottom.

This past Friday (September 14th), the winds were from the north and the water had returned to its "normal" low level. I carefully motored the boat out of the slip watching the depth sounder - and seeing sufficient depth in the main channel of the marina headed out on the lake for one last "toot" on the water. I brought the boat back into the marina and slowly approached the staging dock adjacent to the ramp. Watching the depth, when it got to 3.6', I shut the engine off and coasted to the dock, even though I had the outdrive partially trimmed up. I didn't want to risk hitting bottom with two SS props.

I tied the boat up and got the truck (Ram 1500) and trailer and backed the trailer down the ramp and into the water. Not having any experience, I completely submerged the center bunks and the trailer fender guards. I then went to the boat and tied a long bow line on and carefully motored the boat to the trailer, getting it lined up and motored up to the bow rest. So, the first problem was that there was a slight crosswind and the boat was floating a bit even though in contact with the lowest bunks. I winched the boat to the bow stop and then went to pull it out. The boat stopped as I was inching forward and I realized I hadn't trimmed the outdrive all the way up - oops.

So, I climbed back onto the boat and raised it all the way up and then back into the truck and tried to pull it out again. Again I felt resistance. Now, I started thinking; I don't have enough depth to get the boat out! How could this be though? The dealer had launched the retrieved the boat twice this season!

At this point, someone with more experience pointed out that I didn't have the truck and trailer exactly in the middle of the 12' wide ramp and that the dredged portion is right in the center. I took the boat off the trailer and the good Samaritan held the boat by the bowline just offshore while I repositioned the truck and trailer "dead center". This time, I stopped with the trailer fenders just slightly covered and the center lower bunks just visible under about 10" of water. I motored the boat onto the trailer and it held in place on the centerline of the trailer by the more exposed bunks. Much better than the first time - the boat wasn't floating around this time. I winched the boat to the stop.

I made sure the outdrive was completely up this time and pulled the boat and trailer out of the water. I was happy to find no damage to the propellers but I did put a small scuff on the leading edge of the lower unit. It is only about 2 or 3 inches long and I didn't gouge out the metal.

I took the boat to a nearby car wash and pressure washed off the hull and used light water pressure to clean off the lower unit. I wish I had a lift to keep this boat out of the water when not in use, but alas, no such facility in my marina, so the bottom of the boat will need a complete cleaning and polish before it is put away for the winter.

A word about towing: I pulled the boat into the city (65 miles) behind a 2018 Dodge Ram 1500 with a 5.7L V8. This rental truck pulled the boat fine, but I think if I were to purchase a Dodge Ram and was hauling more regularly, I'd pick the diesel option. The V8 has plenty of power, but it doesn't get into the top gear of its 8 speed automatic while pulling over 5,000 lbs and as a result burns a lot of gas at 65 MPH (26L/100KM or 9 MPG).

When I dropped the boat off and related the above to the service manager, he said; "there isn't one person I know who hasn't, at some point, forgotten to fully trim up the outdrive when pulling their boat out". I'm not sure that is true, but it did make me feel better. :)
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Na it only counts when you drag the lower unit up the ramp completely. So your good now. Next year you just need to forget to put your plug in then your good to go. Everyone does that too. Then try to start it when it's not in neutral or without the kill switch in operate Mode. You have plenty ahead of you to catch up with us.
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Big Block Power wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:47 pm Then try to start it when it's not in neutral or without the kill switch in operate Mode.

Who in their right mind would do that? What a loser.
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NautiGirl wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:35 pm
Big Block Power wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:47 pm Then try to start it when it's not in neutral or without the kill switch in operate Mode.

Who in their right mind would do that? What a loser.
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Big Block Power wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:40 pm
NautiGirl wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:35 pm
Big Block Power wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:47 pm Then try to start it when it's not in neutral or without the kill switch in operate Mode.

Who in their right mind would do that? What a loser.
Just saying 😜
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Not a bad first experience at all!

Regarding the truck, you'd never want the transmission to get into the upper gears, you'll burn it up for sure. Low to mid range is perfect for hauling. Yes, it'll use more fuel, but it's WAY less than the overkill a diesel would be on a boat that size.
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Holy Smokes wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:42 pm Not a bad first experience at all!

Regarding the truck, you'd never want the transmission to get into the upper gears, you'll burn it up for sure. Low to mid range is perfect for hauling. Yes, it'll use more fuel, but it's WAY less than the overkill a diesel would be on a boat that size.
From my experience, I'll respectfully disagree. I show jumped horses for years and regularly towed a 2 horse gooseneck that was about 30' long and about 6,500 lbs fully loaded. In 2004, I was about to switch from a bumper pull to the gooseneck (safety on icy roads and more storage) and as a test, I hooked up a fully loaded trailer to a gas-powered Dodge and then a 2500 equipped with a Cummins diesel. The 2500 was overkill for my purposes, but a diesel option wasn't available in a 1/2 ton truck at the time.

What I found at the time was the gas engine refused to shift into its top gear (at that time a 4 speed) at typical cruising speeds of 60 - 65 MPH. It would upshift at 75 MPH, but that was much too fast a speed for hauling horses. The diesel was perfect. It cruised in top gear at 60 MPH, turning around 1,300 RPM and got close to 28 MPG. And it was perfect for towing into a headwind. In the case of the same truck with a gas engine, the truck wouldn't shift into top gear and if it did momentarily, it would "bog" and then need to downshift. The problem is, many gas engines just don't produce enough torque in the low engine speeds (1,200 - 1,500) and require high RPMs to produce torque. That is what makes them suck so much gas when pulling a load.

If I end up with a truck in the spring, it will either be a 2019 Ford 150 with the new Duramax diesel or the Dodge Ram 1500 with the soon to be reintroduced diesel option. These trucks boast close to 30 mpg (empty) on the highway and 22 in the city, which is better than our mini van's consumption.

I think diesel is a win-win for towing if you want good towing capacity and good fuel economy. A gas engine can deliver (good pulling), but not in combination with good fuel economy.
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Sounds great. Let us know which truck you wind up with
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Big Block Power wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:47 pm Na it only counts when you drag the lower unit up the ramp completely. So your good now. Next year you just need to forget to put your plug in then your good to go. Everyone does that too. Then try to start it when it's not in neutral or without the kill switch in operate Mode. You have plenty ahead of you to catch up with us.
Its been a fun season, that at the start was a bit intimidating. I was worried about being able to get the boat in and out of the slip, barking orders at the kids to stay put and keep quiet as I tried to enter a 20' slip shared with another boat, but as the season went on, I got quite a bit better at it and more confident.

Getting the boat onto a trailer for the first time was something I was a bit concerned about, but I picked a day when few people were likely to be around and just worked it out (more or less). I was a bit pissed about rubbing the lower unit, but more because I forgot a simple step then because I put a small scrape in the lower unit.

I've already tried to start the boat when it wasn't in neutral (my 8-year-old son had turned the key off when we were arriving at a swimming spot and I forgot that it was still in gear) and I once took off with the swim step down (luckily the drive was trimmed down too). Finally, I don't know why, but I sometimes forget to make sure the fenders are taken off and stowed before leaving the harbour.

I'm getting better at all of this stuff though. :)
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BobRae99 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:11 pm Finally, I don't know why, but I sometimes forget to make sure the fenders are taken off and stowed before leaving the harbour.

I'm getting better at all of this stuff though. :)
That’s how I find these floating fenders. We’ve all done it Bob.

I’ll see a boat with then fenders bouncing off the sides and do a quick check that I remembered to pull mine.

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BobRae99 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:00 pm
Holy Smokes wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:42 pm Not a bad first experience at all!

Regarding the truck, you'd never want the transmission to get into the upper gears, you'll burn it up for sure. Low to mid range is perfect for hauling. Yes, it'll use more fuel, but it's WAY less than the overkill a diesel would be on a boat that size.
From my experience, I'll respectfully disagree. I show jumped horses for years and regularly towed a 2 horse gooseneck that was about 30' long and about 6,500 lbs fully loaded. In 2004, I was about to switch from a bumper pull to the gooseneck (safety on icy roads and more storage) and as a test, I hooked up a fully loaded trailer to a gas-powered Dodge and then a 2500 equipped with a Cummins diesel. The 2500 was overkill for my purposes, but a diesel option wasn't available in a 1/2 ton truck at the time.
Overkill, in the sense that it seems what you described as you pull the boat out only a few times a season towing 65mi.... Regularly towing long distances, then "yes", I wholeheartedly agree. Diesel is the better choice.

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Holy Smokes wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:20 pm
BobRae99 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:00 pm
Holy Smokes wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:42 pm Not a bad first experience at all!

Regarding the truck, you'd never want the transmission to get into the upper gears, you'll burn it up for sure. Low to mid range is perfect for hauling. Yes, it'll use more fuel, but it's WAY less than the overkill a diesel would be on a boat that size.
From my experience, I'll respectfully disagree. I show jumped horses for years and regularly towed a 2 horse gooseneck that was about 30' long and about 6,500 lbs fully loaded. In 2004, I was about to switch from a bumper pull to the gooseneck (safety on icy roads and more storage) and as a test, I hooked up a fully loaded trailer to a gas-powered Dodge and then a 2500 equipped with a Cummins diesel. The 2500 was overkill for my purposes, but a diesel option wasn't available in a 1/2 ton truck at the time.
Overkill, in the sense that it seems what you described as you pull the boat out only a few times a season towing 65mi.... Regularly towing long distances, then "yes", I wholeheartedly agree. Diesel is the better choice.

Carry on.....
I agree. I like driving a truck, but I don't seem to have much use for one, other than towing the boat a couple of times a year. So, while I'm in the market for a new vehicle, it likely won't be a truck. If I did choose one, it would be a 1/2 T diesel version though. I just like the low-end grunt and the better fuel economy of the diesel. :)
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Sorry to hear you scraped your drive. Like others have said we all have done it. And the starting the boat with the boat in fwd. I’ve done that a couple times this season. This is my first Volvo powered boat and it took me awhile to get use to how quietly it went into gear compared to a bravo drive. Let’s just say I missed the Merc “clunk” for the first few months.
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BobRae99 wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:00 pm
Holy Smokes wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:42 pm

If I end up with a truck in the spring, it will either be a 2019 Ford 150 with the new Duramax diesel or the Dodge Ram 1500 with the soon to be reintroduced diesel option. These trucks boast close to 30 mpg (empty) on the highway and 22 in the city, which is better than our mini van's consumption.

I think diesel is a win-win for towing if you want good towing capacity and good fuel economy. A gas engine can deliver (good pulling), but not in combination with good fuel economy.
I want to see that 2019 Ford option myself. That might be the only way Ford gets a real power plant. Lmao🤣
Just by chance what is the tow rating on the Ram eco diesel? And gvwr ratings?
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Big Block Power wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:44 pm

I want to see that 2019 Ford option myself. That might be the only way Ford gets a real power plant. Lmao🤣
Just by chance what is the tow rating on the Ram eco diesel? And gvwr ratings?
I am biased but I think the 3.5 Eco is the better power option. You hit the nail on the head /w the GVWR concern, diesel engines are heavy which is why they usually go in 3/4 or 1 Ton trucks. Doesn't matter as much with boats as they have pretty low tongue weights for their overall weight, but you definitely have to watch payload numbers when you add a power stroke and a trailer to a 1/2 ton truck.

Other thing to note is not all diesel engines are created equal. The 6.7 power stroke is a monster. The 3.0L power stroke in the F150 is a re-purposed LandRover engine that was designed for fuel economy, not towing. I have also read that Dodge is having issues /w the 3.0L EcoDiesel overheating when towing. Think something /w the intercooler placement.

But then again you hit the nail on the head when you said "I like the way a diesel drives". Get what makes you happy and makes sense given your usage.
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