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For the record the F150 has kept all its important fluids in the engine, it has however allowed a little bit of extra water to enter the cab. I am sure it just knew I missed the lake and wanted a bit of water on my feet.liquid wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:46 amYes and the quality manufactured GM 5.3 Eco pulls it easily, all the while managing to keep it's important fluids inside of itself.
NautiGirl wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:57 amFor the record the F150 has kept all its important fluids in the engine, it has however allowed a little bit of extra water to enter the cab. I am sure it just knew I missed the lake and wanted a bit of water on my feet.liquid wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:46 amYes and the quality manufactured GM 5.3 Eco pulls it easily, all the while managing to keep it's important fluids inside of itself.NautiGirl wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:37 am
Don't worry the greatest boat ever made isnt that heavy. It's slim weight is one of its best features.
Oh I get it, it's expected and in some sick way enjoyed. Truck water leak shaming?liquid wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:10 pmNautiGirl wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:57 amFor the record the F150 has kept all its important fluids in the engine, it has however allowed a little bit of extra water to enter the cab. I am sure it just knew I missed the lake and wanted a bit of water on my feet.liquid wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:46 am
Yes and the quality manufactured GM 5.3 Eco pulls it easily, all the while managing to keep it's important fluids inside of itself.
I kid because I Loce.
The shaming has always been my favorite part.NautiGirl wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:45 pmOh I get it, it's expected and in some sick way enjoyed. Truck water leak shaming?liquid wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:10 pmNautiGirl wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:57 am
For the record the F150 has kept all its important fluids in the engine, it has however allowed a little bit of extra water to enter the cab. I am sure it just knew I missed the lake and wanted a bit of water on my feet.
I kid because I Loce.
I think 2018 Ford put it on every vehicle in their line up, now monkey see monkey do, GM and Chrysler are following suit. Yes a lot, not all,of new vehicles have a disable button, but it resets to default on every start up. Yes there are ways to get around it, but again I would rather not have the additional cost, weight and complexity added to begin with. I'm not bashing your Eco boost, if you like it then good for you. Heck I own a turbo Buick Regal but I don't have any illusions that it is going to go 250K trouble free miles. I just think that driven under the same conditions the V8 will last longer. Time will tell. Another thing I like about old tech is that they are rebuildable, if you can find a machine shop anymore. I don't know what Ford did to that 5.0 to mess it up but I'm glad I didn't buy one.Lockey14s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:57 amSame here. If Ford gets rid of V8s all together then that will be the day I go back to a chevy. I just love V8s too much. Period.Stagdad wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:41 pm I'm one of those old fashioned guys that will not buy a full size truck with anything other than a V8. They are relatively slow turning under stressed units that have and hopefully will continue to give good service and longevity. Yes I know forced induction and smaller engines are what the manufacturers are doing but the high temps and high stresses don't instill me with confidence. I do love the rush of a turbo spooling up but I'm not sold on the longevity of them.Now if GM can keep their bodies from rusting I'll be happy. I actually looked at a new aluminum Ford before getting my '18 Silverado but the engine shutting off at stop lights killed the deal right there.Yeah I know they're all doing it now but I didn't ask for it and I don't want it. More weight, more cost and added complexity. Looks like I have purchased my last new vehicle for a while. Rant complete.
Also, you can turn off that engine start/stop. I didnt think it was offered on the 5.0?
I dont have a ecoboost, I have a 5.0 V8. I dont have start/stop either and it would be pretty awkward if it did since i have a pretty noticable exhaust system on the truck lol. But apparently all the new trucks have that start stop feature which i also think is garbage. These 5.0 motors are one heck of an upgrade from the old turd 5.4L I use to haveStagdad wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:25 pmI think 2018 Ford put it on every vehicle in their line up, now monkey see monkey do, GM and Chrysler are following suit. Yes a lot, not all,of new vehicles have a disable button, but it resets to default on every start up. Yes there are ways to get around it, but again I would rather not have the additional cost, weight and complexity added to begin with. I'm not bashing your Eco boost, if you like it then good for you. Heck I own a turbo Buick Regal but I don't have any illusions that it is going to go 250K trouble free miles. I just think that driven under the same conditions the V8 will last longer. Time will tell. Another thing I like about old tech is that they are rebuildable, if you can find a machine shop anymore. I don't know what Ford did to that 5.0 to mess it up but I'm glad I didn't buy one.Lockey14s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:57 amSame here. If Ford gets rid of V8s all together then that will be the day I go back to a chevy. I just love V8s too much. Period.Stagdad wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:41 pm I'm one of those old fashioned guys that will not buy a full size truck with anything other than a V8. They are relatively slow turning under stressed units that have and hopefully will continue to give good service and longevity. Yes I know forced induction and smaller engines are what the manufacturers are doing but the high temps and high stresses don't instill me with confidence. I do love the rush of a turbo spooling up but I'm not sold on the longevity of them.Now if GM can keep their bodies from rusting I'll be happy. I actually looked at a new aluminum Ford before getting my '18 Silverado but the engine shutting off at stop lights killed the deal right there.Yeah I know they're all doing it now but I didn't ask for it and I don't want it. More weight, more cost and added complexity. Looks like I have purchased my last new vehicle for a while. Rant complete.
Also, you can turn off that engine start/stop. I didnt think it was offered on the 5.0?
It's sad, but cars today are built to live problem free through their factory warranty and then all bets are off. Number of cylinders or type of induction really doesn't matter.Stagdad wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:25 pmI think 2018 Ford put it on every vehicle in their line up, now monkey see monkey do, GM and Chrysler are following suit. Yes a lot, not all,of new vehicles have a disable button, but it resets to default on every start up. Yes there are ways to get around it, but again I would rather not have the additional cost, weight and complexity added to begin with. I'm not bashing your Eco boost, if you like it then good for you. Heck I own a turbo Buick Regal but I don't have any illusions that it is going to go 250K trouble free miles. I just think that driven under the same conditions the V8 will last longer. Time will tell. Another thing I like about old tech is that they are rebuildable, if you can find a machine shop anymore. I don't know what Ford did to that 5.0 to mess it up but I'm glad I didn't buy one.Lockey14s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:57 amSame here. If Ford gets rid of V8s all together then that will be the day I go back to a chevy. I just love V8s too much. Period.Stagdad wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:41 pm I'm one of those old fashioned guys that will not buy a full size truck with anything other than a V8. They are relatively slow turning under stressed units that have and hopefully will continue to give good service and longevity. Yes I know forced induction and smaller engines are what the manufacturers are doing but the high temps and high stresses don't instill me with confidence. I do love the rush of a turbo spooling up but I'm not sold on the longevity of them.Now if GM can keep their bodies from rusting I'll be happy. I actually looked at a new aluminum Ford before getting my '18 Silverado but the engine shutting off at stop lights killed the deal right there.Yeah I know they're all doing it now but I didn't ask for it and I don't want it. More weight, more cost and added complexity. Looks like I have purchased my last new vehicle for a while. Rant complete.
Also, you can turn off that engine start/stop. I didnt think it was offered on the 5.0?
.It was 10 years ago when GM released the C6 ZR1 and they had Jay Leno on stage saying buy this Corvette now. Due to EPA and MPG regulations this is the last car like this we will ever be able to build. And now look at what they are doing.cmattj wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:04 pm So many excellent points made here with one common thread.
We have come to an age where engine design has easily exceeded 1 hp per cubic inch. This was no easy task in the 70-80s as the thinking was being changed by emissions standards, and a Corvette had 200hp in a crossfire injected V8.
Then something happened.. something engineers had seen starting in cylinder head development on engines for performance, but failed to make the efficiency for fuel economy.
Cylinder heads were starting to be able to fill a normally aspirated engine at 100% in each cylinder when the intake valve opened.
Air flow machines were being simulated with computers and taking the constant guess work out .
Engines now could run lower compression ratios, and still achieve a remarkable air speed fill and flow rate. They were becoming economical and powerful.
Yes I’m an old school pushrod V8 junky but I admire the ability, and new levels of power that are all coming from advanced cylinder head design.
Now power, and Torque still have to find that right blend for our needs but the fact that we see 3.5 engines being fed to achieve a cubic inch that is 30% over efficient and take the torque above a normally aspertated V8 is impressive in today’s world.
Just think though that GM did a 3.8 turbo Grand National in 1987 that was impressive ( 360 ft lbs torque) but had no understanding on how to keep them alive.
So 33 years later we have to look back and see how we got here. I enjoy all engine theory from all manufacturers ... as it’s our history to remember while we migrate into an electric Hi Torque era.
The next 10 years are going to be exciting. What’s next?
Well said regardless of your preferred manufacturer or engine choice we are in a golden age of automotive performance. Next 10 years should bring some very exciting changes. I am going to miss the internal combustion engine, but welcome the advantages electric should bring.cmattj wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:04 pm So many excellent points made here with one common thread.
We have come to an age where engine design has easily exceeded 1 hp per cubic inch. This was no easy task in the 70-80s as the thinking was being changed by emissions standards, and a Corvette had 200hp in a crossfire injected V8
Then something happened.. something engineers had seen starting in cylinder head development on engines for performance, but failed to make the efficiency for fuel economy.
Cylinder heads were starting to be able to fill a normally aspirated engine at 100% in each cylinder when the intake valve opened.
Air flow machines were being simulated with computers and taking the constant guess work out .
Engines now could run lower compression ratios, and still achieve a remarkable air speed fill and flow rate. They were becoming economical and powerful.
Yes I’m an old school pushrod V8 junky but I admire the ability, and new levels of power that are all coming from advanced cylinder head design.
Now power, and Torque still have to find that right blend for our needs but the fact that we see 3.5 engines being fed to achieve a cubic inch that is 30% over efficient and take the torque above a normally aspertated V8 is impressive in today’s world.
Just think though that GM did a 3.8 turbo Grand National in 1987 that was impressive ( 360 ft lbs torque) but had no understanding on how to keep them alive.
So 33 years later we have to look back and see how we got here. I enjoy all engine theory from all manufacturers ... as it’s our history to remember while we migrate into an electric Hi Torque era.
The next 10 years are going to be exciting. What’s next?
.Ytmsn wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:36 am Hijack warning? Psftsssst....
1. That new Rivian truck? WANT. ONE. BIGTIME.
2. Matt your mechanical knowledge continues to impress and blow me away. BB runs a very close second.
3. If that was my truck sitting there with its skirt hiked up, they would be buying that sucker back. Period.
4. Happy Birthday to Tuscany!
5. Epstein didn't kill himself